Pr. Stephen Bohr of Secrets Unsealed Ministry responds point-by-point to the “hand-drawn”-style video presented by advocates of the “third way” position. (The third position arose at the end of the Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC) process. It differs from “position 2” only in that it admits that “male leadership” is God’s ideal. However, this supposed recognition is meaningless since postion three, like position two, would allow each division of the world church to decide independently for itself whether or not to ordain women.)
Month: August 2014
WO and the SDA Theological Seminary
Prs. Larry Kirkpatrick and Mike Lambert discuss the theological movement of denominations which approve women’s ordination and their inevitable drift into approval of same-sex unions. They consider how one and only one denomination so far has turned back from this—by reestablishing a historical-grammatical interpretive plan at their seminary. Discussion turns, with some regret, to the current situation of the Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary located in Berrien Springs, MI. The women’s ordination-favoring theological approach of the current dean is investigated, the core presupposition identified. 13 minutes.
Church policy and WO
Pr. Kevin Paulson discusses briefly the realities behind church policy and women’s ordination. Does each union get to decide privately for itself on matters that impact unity across the wrld field on women’s ordination?
Es la Biblia la que nos da las orientaciones, no la cultura
Daniel Scarone, miembro del TOSC (Comisión de Teología sobre Ordenación), argumenta sobre la hermenéutica, el “argumento del silencio,” la ordenación femenina al ministerio y la influencia de la cultura.
3ABN WO discussion: Doug Batchelor, Stephen Bohr, Jim Gilley, Jay Gallimore
3ABN Night Light Women’s Ordination Discussion, featuring pastors Doug Batchelor, Stephen Bohr, Jay Gallimore. The program was recorded at ASI. Includes discussion of Scripture evidence and of the surprising results of the survey conducted. There is a brief musical presentation near the beginning, and afterwards the main program continues. At 16 minutes in the 3ABN WO poll sample and process is explained. Doug Batchelor kicks off the main discussion 28 minutes in. Doug Batchelor is the senior pastor of the Granite Bay Church near Sacramento. Stephen Bohr is senior pastor of the Fresno Church. Jay Gallimore is the president of the Michigan Conference. The hosts are pastor Jim Gilley, president of Three Angel’s Broadcasting Network (3ABN) and Danny Shelton, a founder of 3ABN. Full Program.
WO: helping or hindering unity?
Don Mackintosh considers claims that women’s ordination came as new light to the Seventh-day Adventist Church 40 years ago and that in rejecting it, we are hindering the Second Coming. Pastor Mackintosh reviews the history and sees whether this is so. Is the push for women’s ordination helping us advance toward the Second Coming, or actually hindering us? Is the pro-women’s ordination movement helping or hindering the church toward unity? Pr. Don Mackintosh served on the General Conference Theology of Ordination Study Committee.
Survey launched on 2014-08-07. Answer receiving the most ballots is bolded… See update information at bottom of posting.
QUESTION 1: Do you believe that the Scriptures teach only men should be ordained as pastors?
Yes: 75.22% (2939 ballots)
No: 24.78% (968 ballots)
Total answering: 3907
QUESTION 2: Do you believe that the Scriptures teach women should be ordained elders?
Yes: 18.38% (713 ballots)
No: 81.62% (3167 ballots)
Total answering: 3880
QUESTION 3: Do you believe the Adventist Church needs to create more paid ministry opportunities for women aside from the ordination question?
Yes: 68.56% (2656 ballots)
No: 31.44% (1218 ballots)
Total answering: 3874
QUESTION 4: Do you believe if women’s ordination is approved it will make it easier for same-sex marriage advocates to agitate for acceptance within the church?
Yes: 68.66% (2682 ballots)
No: 31.34% (1224 ballots)
Total answering: 3906
QUESTION 5: Do you believe the women’s ordination issue should be conclusively settled at the next General Conference meeting and whatever is voted should be unitedly followed by the world church?
Yes: 52.59% (2018 ballots)
No: 47.41% (1819 ballots)
Total answering: 3887
QUESTION 6: Do you believe each SDA world division or conference should be allowed to determine the women’s ordination issue independently?
Yes: 21.04% (819 ballots)
No: 78.96% (3073 ballots)
Total answering: 3892
QUESTION 7: Do you believe the women’s ordination issue may lead to a division within the Adventist Church?
Yes: 82.68% (3228 ballots)
No: 17.32% (676 ballots)
Total answering: 3904
QUESTION 8: Are you a denominational employee?
Yes: 13.10% (511 ballots)
No: 86.90% (3391 ballots)
Total answering: 3902
QUESTION 9: Do you reside in the North American Division?
Yes: 70.97% (2785 ballots)
No: 29.03% (1139 ballots)
Total answering: 3924
QUESTION 10: Are you male or female?
Female: 51.10% (1969 ballots)
Male: 48.90% (1884 ballots)
Total answering: 3853
QUESTION 11: What is your age range?
18 to 30: 18.96% (747 ballots)
30 to 55: 53.26% (2098 ballots)
55 and up: 27.77% (1094 ballots)
Total answering: 3939
NOTE: Survey results were updated August 25, 9:33 am PST. You can participate in the survey by calling 800-272-1280, or, readers can participate in the survey via the internet at http://www.ordinationsurvey.com.
TOSC position 2 problems
Pastors Larry Kirkpatrick and Mike Lambert discuss TOSC outcomes. One group within TOSC, the “Position 2” group wants the church to permit individual divisions to make their own separate decisions about women’s ordination. The immediate result would be that some parts of the church would ordain women as pastors/elders, others not. In the TOSC Position 2 paper, WO advocates declared that the problems Paul is addressing in 1 Timothy were intended to deal with only local issues. The pastors zero-in on chapter two looking at the passage in the Greek NT, and the reason Paul DOES give for the general, universal prohibition against women exercising authority over men in a congregational setting.
Doug Batchelor, Stephen Bohr, Jim Gilley, Jay Gallimore on 3ABN
August 7, on 3ABN TV, Pr. Doug Batchelor will be part of a panel discussion with pastors Stephen Bohr and Jim Gilley, that will be broadcasting live from the national ASI convention. During this special program they will be exploring the current position of the church concerning the ordination of women to the gospel ministry. This program will air live from 8:00-10:00 p.m. CDT. (6:00 – 8:00 Pacific Time for West coasters). They will be taking some text questions.
You can also watch online at http://3abn.org/media/3abn-broadcast/.
UPDATED: This event has been scheduled to be broadcast again on Sunday, August 10, 1:00-3:00 pm. PST.
Professor Ingo Sorke, who also served on the General Conference Theology of Ordination Study Committee (TOSC), considers the question of whether the Bible teaches gender differentiation. Several texts are reviewed, including in Genesis 1, Romans 16, 1 Corinthians 11, 14, Galatians 3, Ephesians 5, 1 Timothy 3, 1 Peter 2, 5. Sorke also appeals to males to be godly males and to lead in a way that honors the Scriptures. Sorke shares what happened in a secular class when women read these Bible passages without commentary. Finally, he makes a striking appeal to Christian men at the video’s conclusion. We believe that many persons will want to see this brief video. Tell your friends and share the link!